Voters Reject Busing Referendum

Residents say no to proposal by school district to save $500,000 in coming year by extending busing milage limits for middle and high school students.

West Islip voters overwhelmingly said no to a school district proposal that would have extended the for middle school and high school students.

With 289 votes for and 964 votes against, it was clear that many in West Islip did not like the idea of expanding the busing limits by a half-mile for middle school and high school students.

If approved, officials said the school district would have saved $500,000 in the 2012-13 school year and $300,000 in subsequent years.

Steve Gellar, president of the West Islip Board of Education, who was present at the high school Tuesday night when the vote total was announced, said the referendum was part of an overall effort by the board to try and save money in every way possible to preserve programs.

With the rejection by voters, Gellar said the board of education will again review a list of possible cuts offered by Superintendent Richard Simon to see where they can achieve savings.

“At this point, we are still a bit short, but not millions (of dollars) short like we were a few months back,” he said. “We’re also waiting for final state aid figures and we hope to have those Thursday.”

The next budget work session is set for Thursday, 7:30 p.m. at the Beach Street Middle School cafeteria.

Marcy March 29, 2012 at 02:57 PM
You're so right! I want to thank you for your posting and your care for other peoples children above saving some tax dollars. There are two registered sex offenders who live ON UDALL ROAD! The school should be ashamed of themselves for ever proposing such a thing!
Marcy March 29, 2012 at 03:12 PM
James your children must be so embarrased by you!! I hope their attitude towards people turns out better than yours.
William Bailey March 29, 2012 at 04:42 PM
Hey Marcy, let's hope your children dont have your intelligence.
Sonia March 29, 2012 at 07:01 PM
No wonder children bully each other, look at the way some parents are disrespecting each other on these posts. Ex. James MacInness with his one line insults, Liam Murphy on how he handled a situation"HIS WAY"
Liam Murphy March 29, 2012 at 07:09 PM
ohhh its disrespectful to say I did "my way", really......... What would make your way better or would your way be the only right way. I'm not here for an argument. Just voicing my opinion and actually I'm quite the gentleman.
ELLA March 30, 2012 at 12:12 AM
@Marci Be thankful that we only have to listen to MacInness on the Patch.
William Bailey March 30, 2012 at 05:59 AM
Ella, if it wasnt for my comments your day would have been filled with boredom . But there no sense in arguing with you. I've seen this mental disorder to walk lock step with schools and give them whatever they what on the back of the taxpayers. Your Propaganda is getting old and worn out. Im sure you would pay 40k a month in taxes so the children didn't have to walk. You and your other brainwashed buddy attacking me are the reason we are drowning in property taxes.
gracie March 30, 2012 at 10:19 AM
GIVE ME A BREAK JAMES! I think you go a little too far with things . Go hangout with Liam and discuss all your mindless nasty thoughts.
Pat March 30, 2012 at 01:45 PM
Anyone else think that teachers who are earning $100,000+ salaries for working only 184 days per year is too much? I understand that a teachers job is very important and can be challenging also. That being said, a $100,000 salary for 184 days turns out to be about $543 per day or almost $70 per hour (figuring 8hr work day). My opinion is that this is too much.
MaryBeth March 30, 2012 at 02:04 PM
Considering that when I left my job 4 yrs ago to have kids I was a secretary with no schooling I was making $30 per hour, I just used a plumber that charged $125 per hour and the ER Dr. that saw my kid for less than 20min charged me $501, no I dont think it is too much. Most teachers do not work an 8hr day. I often see them grading papers or doing the lesson plans at their kids practices. I also know quite a few who make phone calls to parents at nite from home because the parents work and that is the only time they can speak with a teacher. I think we dont see alot of what goes on after school hours. Yes they get the summer off but we all had the choice to make as to what careers we wanted as adults and for some reason the grass always seem greener on the other side.
Jessica Horvath March 30, 2012 at 04:39 PM
Wiseol'owl, I am an elementary school parent. I, along with several friends, who are ALSO elementary school parents, went out and voted NO. We are not directly affected. Don't assume that only those directly affected went out to vote. I voted no because I didn't like the idea, I didn't think it was safe, and I didn't want YOUR child to be put in a dangerous and uncomfortable situation. Some people actually care about ALL the children in this district, as much as everyone likes to point out that we have our own "agendas".
Jessica Horvath March 30, 2012 at 04:47 PM
It's true that they may be at work in the classroom for an 8 hour day but their day does not end there. They have papers to grade, and are constantly in contact with parents. Keep in mind they spend more time with your children then you do! I don't think it is too much money. Although I am really in favor of a PAY FREEZE FOR EVERYONE. And I am really in favor of instituting the furlough! Time to band together as a community and start making some big sacrifices. Enough with taking from the kids.
Jessica Horvath March 30, 2012 at 04:48 PM
When parents are rushing to catch a 6:00AM train to the city what do you suggest? Dropping your kid off in the middle of the night? Letting them sleep in the locker room at the HS? Let's face it, the only way to make sure your kid gets to school is to drop them off there yourself. AND SOME PEOPLE CAN'T DO IT!
Jessica Horvath March 30, 2012 at 04:49 PM
The parents are worse than the kids. Of course this is where the kids get it from. Some never grow up and pass along their hateful, childish and disturbing behavior. It's a vicious cycle that will never end............
McGuire March 30, 2012 at 06:22 PM
Why not have some of our 6 figure admin give something back.
wiseol'owl March 30, 2012 at 06:30 PM
@Jessica, I am sorry if you feel I made assumptions. Funny that you choose to look a the statement in which I said that fact that only 289 voted 'yes' when potentially it could have been far more was a show of support and that "PRIMARILY" it was left to the hands of those affected. This was a statement I made as a follow up and in defense of the community looking out for the children. This was a statement to defend the low #'s at the vote. Yet there is of course no acknowledement of my 1st statement thanking the people of WI and stateing that 'when given the chance to voice our opinions WE ALWAYS do what's right for the children'~ Although I would expect no comment to that statement of apprecitation and acknowledgement that OUR COMMUNITY came through for OUR CHILDREN since it was pretty much self explainatory. It's sad that whatever is said it does seem to be the 'assumption of negativity' that is focused on by so many.
wiseol'owl March 30, 2012 at 06:47 PM
No there isn't an issue with the salaries that the teachers receive. They're educators whom most of us hope have the knowledge&skills to assist our children in someday being able to get into the finest colleges in the nation. Providing a service that means that much to the future of our children deserves an appropriate salary. What I do think there is a problem with which is damaging to the financial stability of the education system is the benifits and pension'padding'.Adminstration presently receives a significant amount of pay upon retirement due to 'unused sick pay' & allowing the conversion of unused personal & vacation days to payable upon retirement. These $ amount only have a temporary cap &only a temporary per day $figure. Each time non-union adminstration negotiates a contract the cap & $'s are raised. Admnistrators have been known 'pad' pension to the point where salary upon retirement is higher than when employed.Teachers presently can recieve up to $18,000 pay for their unused sick time at retirement. This combined with the other 'fluff' benifits that adminstration recieves such as cars, phones, longevity pay, meals. need to be changed. Adminstration presently only pays 15% for healthcare, teachers pay 17%. A step increase needs to be put to play 2-3% (4% the 1st) year to bring employee contributions up to 25-30%.The calendar to state mandate of 180+2 should be done. Long term permanent change, pay can only be frozen for so long &these are union workers.
wiseol'owl March 30, 2012 at 06:49 PM
Should say (4%) the 1st year for adminstration since they have not yet increased their contribution at all.
Catherine Artusa March 30, 2012 at 06:55 PM
@wise your comment abount es parents ia really insulting. Not only did i vote no but i made my husband run down as soon as he was home from work. And FYI I don't live with in the limits now for busing I did it for others. I can't figure out what your so wise about? Think before you hit submit.
wiseol'owl March 30, 2012 at 07:10 PM
@ Catherine, Again as I've posted to Jessica. The comment was not intended to insult ES or anyone it was intended to defend the poor turnout at the vote as state by the previous poster. And Again as I said to Jessica it is funny how the Negativity flows. I was the 1st poster to Thankyou WI. and state that 'When given the chance to voice our opinion WE ALWAYS come through for our children." Lament in the negative if that is what you choose to create; however my feel regarding the outcome of the vote is nothing less than positive and believe that if the community were allowed to be a more active voice in the decisions regarding the education of our children such as the school closures" WE would ALWAYS come through for our children!!!"
ELLA March 30, 2012 at 09:13 PM
@James MacInness, Believe me, I’m not bored. The only reason I am still posting on this subject is because of your rude comments. If you took the time to read my post, you would have realized that I support anything that PROTECTS all children. I never said that I support ALL budgets. Take the time to read and comprehend posts before you publicize your boorish remarks.
William Bailey March 30, 2012 at 09:22 PM
Wiseol' owl you are truly sick. It's all about the salaries and pensions. If you can't understand that I'm not even gonna explain it. @ Ella SCPD is there to protect the kids not buses. Have you gone to community meetings at the 3rd pct and ask them why all police resources are all being used in brentwood and bayshore? Try finding a car on the midnight tour down here .
William Bailey March 30, 2012 at 09:25 PM
And I'm even skeptical of the attack of the girl a week before this vote? Hmmmm made up by a PTA kid? I've seen this happen in another school district before a vote. I'm not saying it didn't happen but I'm suspicious.
William Bailey March 30, 2012 at 09:34 PM
Some nut jobs that will pay any amount of taxes for the "children". LOL and even a false police report right before a vote.
wiseol'owl March 30, 2012 at 09:44 PM
James~ I'd suggest Prozac based on all your other comments because they seem like the rants of a very stressed, angry individual. Having read your insane suggestion that a Highschool girl would make up an assault just to sway a bus vote is nothing short of an individual in need of a Lobotomy~ that is if they can find a brain. Truly Demented!
Gtacie March 30, 2012 at 10:33 PM
James I think you say all this for attention. You people out there dont respond to him. thats all he wants. ATTENTION! Like I said your a joke
William Bailey March 30, 2012 at 11:21 PM
No, it's because I've had it with 30yrs of the same old propaganda and high taxes. I'm fed up ! Gtacie your the joke !
ELLA March 31, 2012 at 12:09 AM
If he doesn't like West Islip, then he should have moved 30 years ago. You are right Gtacie . . . I won't respond either,
William Bailey March 31, 2012 at 12:12 AM
I reserved 2 rooms in the psych ward at Good Sam for the both of you.
gracie March 31, 2012 at 02:21 AM


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