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Tale of the Tape: Two Schools Must Go

A look at how the six elementary schools stack up against each other.

While the West Islip Board of Education mulls over which for the 2012-13 school year, we decided to take a look at all six elementary schools...by the numbers.

Editor's Note: The district said they'd reach a decision regarding which schools will close next month.

Some information from the charts below was taken from a slideshow presented at the district's first public study group hearing.

Location

Schools

Location

Relation to Union Blvd.

Bayview

165 Snedecor Ave.

South

Bellew

25 Higbie Lane

South

Kirdahy

339 Snedecor Ave.

South

Manetuck

800 Van Buren Ave.

North

Oquenock

245 Spruce Ave.

North

Westbrook

350 Higbie Lane

North

Enrollment

*Bold indicates highest/lowest numbers

Schools

Enrollment

Projected Enrollment (2011-2020)

Baview

328

262-299

Bellew

356

317-355

Kirdahy

307

286-326

Manetuck

441

397-444

Oquenock

338

301-341

Westbrook

387

322-381

Utilization

Schools

Current Utilization

Projected Utilization (2011-2020)

Baview

50%

41-47%

Bellew

55%

49-54%

Kirdahy

64%

53-61%

Manetuck

71%

62-69%

Oquenock

62%

55-62%

Westbrook

61%

50-60%

2010-11 State Test Scoring (According to GreatScores.org)

 

*Percentages indicated meet or exceed standards

 

Schools

English/Math 3rd Grade (Averages: 56%/60%)

English/Math 4th (Averages: 57%/67%)

English/Math 5th (Averages: 54%/66%)

GreatSchools Ranking (based on state standardized test scores)

Bayview

64/71%

54/59%

49/68%

7 out of 10

Bellew

68/76%

80/73%

74/92%

10 out of 10

Kirdahy

72/77%

75/87%

71/90%

8 out of 10

Manetuck

64/70%

67/61%

53/63%

6 out of 10

Oquenock

60/52%

67/72%

64/68%

8 out of 10

Westbrook

73/81%

75/87%

74/85%

9 out of 10

Jessica Horvath January 12, 2012 at 07:12 PM
Because you help so much? Give me a break. Tomorrow, when you come on here to laugh at whichever ES have closed, and you are here gloating and smiling, does that count as the community coming together?? What a sad and pathetic example you set with your behavior on here.
Franks and Beans January 12, 2012 at 07:36 PM
There you go again presenting your feelings as fact. How exactly was the money mismanaged? Why because there isn't enough money to keep half empty schools open? Was there a babyboom 3 years ago? You're an attorney. Prove your statement is fact before you present it as fact.
Franks and Beans January 12, 2012 at 07:37 PM
At least he uses his real name!
LITTLE INDIAN January 12, 2012 at 08:07 PM
Oh your right richie no clue
Jessica Horvath January 12, 2012 at 08:22 PM
Well Frank there are plenty of examples that I have already stated about how the money could have been managed better. And you will see, with all the babies that were born in 2010, an increase in class size in 3 years when those babies are going to kindergarten. And I don't have to prove anything to YOU, because you have already proven to me that no matter what I say, you don't want to listen.
Gerry January 12, 2012 at 09:02 PM
Providing aides can only be done if the number of students passes max after the year has started. The district is not allowed to start the year above contract and give the teacher an aide. Unless half the class is willing to stay home the first two weeks and the register and come to school late that idea won't work. Classes can't go beyond the max in the teachers' contract.
Irene January 12, 2012 at 09:38 PM
Was the economy in a nose dive since approximately late 2007/2008? It's 2012. Mr. simon said that the student body has been in a decline for the past 7 years. Knowing the above, (which we all did) the district added Asst. Super positions, the district added the expensive IB program (don't argue before you look at the facts, and not the facts they want you to think) We added to our financial burdens when times were clearly heading down, down, down! Do you run your household like that F&B? If you do, it's no wonder why you think nothing is questionable and it's no wonder why you are satisfied. Can you say legal battles? Have you any idea about the amount of money spent on those? Do you know the details, cuz I do, and it's not what education should be about, not one shred of it! Our tax dollars are not to be abused this way because people make "assinine" decisions. So if people are angry because of attitudes taken by sitting and past BOE members, tuff luck, it's comes with the territory and they need to be answerable and grow some gosh darn common sense, it's unacceptable! Stop carrying the water for these people, tell the truth and expect the truth and expect, no demand, that they say what they mean and mean what they say and they do what they say they would do. Save our district the most money! What part of the words "fiscal crisis" don't you get?
Bill M January 12, 2012 at 09:43 PM
1300 posts I am so elated. After the Westbrook tribe gets the pink slip tonight the BOE will have a month to let emotions subside but this thread will spike and take on a life of its own and 2000 posts could happen as early as Monday. Patch central is monitoring this closely. Happy blogging.
Franks and Beans January 12, 2012 at 10:14 PM
Fiscal crisis applies to everything in these time that we are living in. that's exactlyt why we can't afford to keep all these schools that were built to accomodate 7500 students open when the student population is 3400. Where is the conspiracy? The BOE is doing the right thing because of the fiscal crisis! I run my household with common sense, not a distorted sense of right and wrong. There is no way you can argue twith the numbers. If Oquenock wasn't on the chopping block, we'd never know you ladies. AND if Oquenock is spared tonight, i guarentee you'll all smile and disappear. I HOPE!
Rich January 12, 2012 at 10:14 PM
Unfortunately we had fiscal mismanagement. We also had a BOE which had arrived at "their" solution long before we ever had any community meetings. So consequently our students suffer and pay the ultimate price. And as often happens in life, the most vulnerable are the ones who take the full brunt of the crisis.
wiseol'owl January 12, 2012 at 11:09 PM
Wow Bill M such strength,confidence and conviction. Why now Westbrook???Do tell district employee or just psychic. Frank and Beans too. Weeks of Oquenock now the 11th hour Westbrook???
Franks and Beans January 12, 2012 at 11:10 PM
The schools are half empty!
Irene January 12, 2012 at 11:16 PM
F&B, running with the conspiracy comments which is an off shoot of Latch's accusations has no basis. Yes, numbers don't lie, and THEY caused the fiscal crisis by spending with abandon. I just explained that. Keeping a MS open when the recipe for saving the most money is to close one ES and one MS, is not following the recipe, hence the bad taste. So we don't NEED two MS,because that is a nice to have, but it's not a NEED to have. We need a fundementally sound foundation for our ES students because the Commissioner of Education constantly holds that continuity is the basis for a sound education. I know Dorothy, I don't have kids in this district, gotcha, but George Smith doesn't either and he's on the BOE and actually signing things and deciding thing. So if you level that argument with me, make sure you write a letter to the BOE and express the same. Meanwhile, America's debt is so out of control, it's bumping it's head on the ceiling again. The fiscal crisis we are faced with as a community falls squarly on our pocket books and only a few at the helm are able to decide what we shall sacrifice and what we shall not sacrifice. It's because of the ones at the helm that we are here. It's no wonder why people once bitten are twice shy. I know the few who come here to haunt and make trouble are carrying water for the district either on purpose or in misplaced loyalty. You are a useful tool, and you are wrong. C-ya later.
Franks and Beans January 12, 2012 at 11:17 PM
What ultimate price are the paying? You act like they will be in some dark basement of some rat infested school. Calm down! They go to another school down the road, in the same district. Stop making this the end of the world. BTW, the BOE is supposed to come up with a solution.
Franks and Beans January 12, 2012 at 11:21 PM
If this was some government run business that we were all funding with our tax dollars, and the factories were working at 60% efficiency, you would all be screaming about consolidation. Wait a minute... It is!
Franks and Beans January 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM
See you all there. Gotta go pick up Little Indian.
Irene January 12, 2012 at 11:34 PM
They should stick with the standard solution of Epsons salts and water.
Scott January 12, 2012 at 11:42 PM
The lack of long term strategic planning by past board members and Administrators (Blau and Company) knowing for many years what was coming up the road is shameful. Instead of reeling in spending when bad times were clearly ahead, they went forth with a campaign of reckless spending of the tax payers money, leaving us with the current fiscal nightmare. Where was our BOE when we needed thoughtful decisions which would greatly affect our kids in the long term? Now we are left with a fiscal train wreck to clean up which may take a decade at best. Shame on you Dr. Blau. You robbed us blind.
Irene January 12, 2012 at 11:45 PM
Scott, I second your emotions!
Jessica Horvath January 13, 2012 at 12:02 AM
Frank and Beans, the MS buildings are working at LESS than 60%, WHY IS THAT OK?
Jessica Horvath January 13, 2012 at 12:04 AM
Interesting..............................................................
Jessica Horvath January 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM
And the MS are STILL MORE THAN HALF EMPTY.
Jessica Horvath January 13, 2012 at 12:07 AM
Don't bet on it Frank.
Rich January 13, 2012 at 12:12 AM
An interesting article right here on the WestIslipPatch. School Closing vs. District Consolidation: Which is Better for Your Child’s Education? North Shore, South Shore, all around Long Island there’s talk of school closings to save district’s money in these dire economic times. Several school systems, including West Islip, North Bellmore, and Smithtown, have already put school-chopping proposals on the table.  And more are sure to follow in a weak economy with decreased state aid and a 2 percent budget cap on the horizon for 2012-2013. Under his proposal, the merger of dozens of local districts would allow the elimination of the vast majority of school superintendents, business and personnel officials. And he would give principals the power to budget and hire. Although consolidation has been proposed many times in the past, Dr. Cantor believes the time may now be right if parents want to stop the trend of increased class sizes and reduced student services. The article and the link is worth reading.
wilaxmom2 January 13, 2012 at 12:32 AM
Really Valerie? first you insult the members of the BOE in person, now here? its disgusting and really not nice. What makes you think that a member of the BOe or her sister, (gee i wonder who you are talking about) would come here and play Jack, F&B or LI? you call tehm pathetic,,,, whats pathetic Valerie, is you commenting on them here and actually its quite pathetic that i feel the need to comment. If you guys on here wann discuss issues, please do so.... but leave the personal attacks at home....please......you all should be ashamed of your selves. Lastly Valerie, I really hope I see your name on a ballot box come May for a seat on teh BOe I just cant wait to vote you in and give you a taste of your own medicine,,,,
LITTLE INDIAN January 13, 2012 at 12:37 AM
Great I have a ride!!
Valerie January 13, 2012 at 12:55 AM
LOL.. pretty funny!
AL January 13, 2012 at 07:20 AM
Hmmm no posting from the oquenock crew?
Craig Miller January 13, 2012 at 03:03 PM
R.I.P. Tale of the Tape! You will no longer fill my inbox and make me feel popular. You will be missed!
Pat Herve January 14, 2012 at 02:15 PM
After the schools are closed, what the BOE should do next, is to talk to neighboring school districts to start the process of consolidating the districts into one. Having all these different districts in one county is what is really causing the tax rates to increase. Jack Latch - please explain why having 2 MS's is so beneficial to the school district. Just saying it is, makes it seem like you are part of a MS admin, like the principal or something, maybe janitor or PE.

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