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Future of Former Getty Gas Station Still in Doubt

Property owners continue to weigh options for future development of vacant parcel on the north side of West Islip.

Will a 7-Eleven or some other type of business occupy the now vacant property at the corner of Udall and Muncey roads?

That’s the question many in the northern section of West Islip are now asking-- following last week’s with the Halperin family, who own the property-- and residents living in the neighborhoods surrounding the parcel of land.

Eliot Bloom, the attorney representing the Halperins, said they are now weighing their options. “They want to develop the property in a manner that is consistent with what the community wants and also is within their financial ability as well,” he said.

But if — or when — the Halperins choose to present plans for the property to Islip Town, remains unknown at this time.

Bloom said the Halperins do not want to present Town officials with a plan that would draw the ire of residents living near the property.

“They want to put in the best possible application they can, but there is also a limited time opportunity for development there,” he said.

One of the sticking points with neighbors is the thought of having a 24-hour convenience store in their back yards. During the meeting a week ago, Bloom asked the approximately 75 residents in attendance if they would accept a 7-Eleven or other store that was not open around the clock. That idea received a mixed response.

But getting 7-Eleven officials to agree to build a store that has set hours of operation appears to be a challenge. “It seems that 7-Eleven does not view the site to be one they would consider being open less than 24-hours a day,” Bloom said.

While the proposal of constructing a 7-Eleven on the property was met with a great deal of opposition a week ago, as it was when it was first discussed in May 2009, Bloom said currently the Halperins have for development.

“Although it may appear to the neighbors that there are some good alternatives, most of them are way too costly,” Bloom said. “The best option for [the Halperins] is 7-Eleven. For them to build to suit would be too costly and does not guarantee they would be able to find a tenant.”

Bill M October 19, 2011 at 09:30 PM
This building will be vacant for many years. The weeds will grow. It will be an eyesore. The North Carolina furniture truck will unload and sell low grade furniture on the weekends tax free. The owners will use this as a tax write off because the town of islip will not approve any application that pisses off the residents. Used cars, garbage and plywood on a building right next to a slim shady liquor store is the better alternative.
john D October 20, 2011 at 02:08 AM
The building should be razed by the owner while this is being litigated.A sign which was put up on the property has not been removed.If the owners of the property were so concerned about the residents they would clean it up and fence it in.Is 7-Eleven the answer? Five stores which employ about 15 local residents will be affected.These stores also contribute to our local sports and social programs ask the 2 local 7-Elevens how many local kids they employ or how much they contribute to the community.Go to the local pizza store Anthonys and find out how much he contributes or ask the Carvel owner or the deli or the chinese take out or the bagle store.What about the traffic on that corner four schools OLL,Manituck,Masera and and Udall middle school buses pass that intersection every morning.My opinion is we need another 7-Eleven like a hole in the head.Want to feel uncomfortable go to a 7-Eleven on a Friday night kids, phony proof rowdy behaviour.I personally have been asked on several occasions to get beer and or cigaretts for underage kids,my stock answer is ask your father.Politicians when it comes time to vote let your conscience be your guide not your wallet.
Jim October 20, 2011 at 03:33 PM
What is the current zoning on the propety? This will list the setbacks, required parking area, hours of operation? A lot of supposition will be eliminated if the facts are known. Who's got time during the day to check it out at Town Hall?
Kay October 20, 2011 at 04:09 PM
The 7-11 in Manorville has had problems with loitering day laborers for years as seen here http://www.daylaborers.org/ and here http://www.daylaborers.org/html/photos.htm. Sure, Dave Drew took these pictures back in 2004-2005, but what has changed since then? Distracted drivers and pedestrians texting (right, Sal?) for one, but the unemployment rate has DOUBLED. So do you think the potential for more of this traffic has lessened, or has it increased? http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104719.html George is right that big money trumps all other "needs" we close-in residents might petition for, but I bet our "new friends" like the ones the residents in Manorville got thanks to a 7-11, have so much to offer the kids as they walk to the four active schools nearby, like the "Pixie Dust" we used to have in the paper tubes from the 5 & 10 when we were kids. Yum! Need a shave before you get to school? No problem - I'm sure someone there could loan you a razor in exchange for some lunch money and your confirmation/bar mitzvah jewelry. Think this won't happen? Check your current unemployment rates again. We’re at a reported 9.6% (for 2010). And that only counts the people who admit they are looking for work, so the rate is about half more than what you see. We really have about a 15% to 18% unemployment rate today. In 2004 it was reported to be 5.5%. More below
Kay October 20, 2011 at 04:09 PM
Kerri thinks we should all just "chill out" about our letting the kids freely roam the streets around a factor she calls "whatnot" in our "terrible" and "sad" end of town. I identified some of her “whatnot” above for her. What Kerri doesn't know about, or cares to admit, is that the 7-11 on her supposedly "happier" end of town has, on average, one kid per week picked up behind it who has OD'd on heroin. FACT. I am not saying that can't happen here; just please keep your ignorances in check before you post. This is exactly why we would need, if it were ever taken, weighted votes relative to your proximity to the property in question. I have no doubt that people who think where we live is "sad" would have no qualms ejecting their 7-11 coffee cups on my lawn on their way to or from OLL church, and flicking me with their still-lit Marlboro Red 100's cigarette butts as they come off the Manetuck soccer field. Hey, at least they could get rolling papers for the kiddies conveniently at the same time! I also think that a 7-11 would cause vacancies at the nearby bagel shop and the nearby deli. People just can’t get enough of that frozen pizza and rollerdogs, I guess. Been nice knowing you, Anthony. No thanks. Put in a four- or five-suite professional office space in there instead, please.
Arleen October 20, 2011 at 04:13 PM
Read earlier. A resident did go to town hall. It is zoned as business 1 I believe and the town had all the gas tanks etc removed so that it cannot be used as a gas station ever again.
Kay October 20, 2011 at 04:46 PM
Jim, I posted this two days ago.. 12:25pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 I just came from Islip Town Hall. There are no variances currently applied for on this property (781 Udall Road), and it is subject to Islip's Business 1 zoning, which excludes the operation of gas stations according to the clerk. This zoning for a gas station was first applied for and granted on this property in the 1950's and grandfathered up to this time as it was continuously operating as a gas station since that time. All of the underground equipment has been registered with the town as having been completely removed so as to comply with the zoning code and remove any possibility of the property operating as a gas station again. You can read the pertinent zoning code here: http://ecode360.com/7705112 I will have photos of the other West Islip 7-11 solid waste disposal facilities posted later. Link to original Getty Station article http://westislip.patch.com/articles/replacing-the-getty-station-poll
Kay October 20, 2011 at 04:47 PM
Link to original Getty Station article http://westislip.patch.com/articles/replacing-the-getty-station-poll
Bill M October 20, 2011 at 11:49 PM
Why did the current owners make this business decision to buy the property without having a good business plan, I go by there every day and it is a disgusting building to look at. No 7-11, no starbucks, no dunking doughnuts can you say tax write off for many many years. Lets hope they come up with something.
Sal October 21, 2011 at 08:03 AM
Kay, are we really going to compare the 7-11 in manorville to the proposed one here in WI. Instead of trying to paint the most negative picture possible why not simply compare the two we already have. Actually you're entire response really is absurd, hell thats like saying if we wanted some bagel chain or a pizza chain we can't because the one in wyndanch has alot of reported crime. Don't compare apples to oranges. You also bring up the National unemployment rate, instead of bringing that into the discussion you should instead be looking at what is the NYS unemployment and then what is the county, what does the unemployment rate have to do with anything, is it documented that people hangout at 7-11 more frequently when the rate goes up and then less frequently when it declines??? And i have walked that intersection frequently when i used to go to school up there, and run in frequently now, is it dangerous? NO more then any other intersection in the town, adding a business there is not going to turn it into some drivers death trap. Also you stated this FACT about about the heroin overdoses, I have 3 friends who are volunteer firefighters and one who works the ER at good sam on the weekends. The Firefighters have all stated that they are not picking up people every week from the 7-11's and in fact when they do its more from the empty woods behind beach street, the beach fields, and the soccer fields by Mattituck. So please dont post something that in blatantly false.
Sal October 21, 2011 at 08:07 AM
If it was happening every week like you say, you don't think SCPD would atleast be there, there not that stupid. So unless these kids are being picked up and transported by some other means of emergency response it isnt happening. And finally in regards to the weighted vote due to proximity, We are all members of this town, just because you live closer then someone else should give you no more say then them. Everyone pays there taxes some more then others, maybe they should have more of a say. Hell if that were the logic then you shouldn't have any say in regards to any High school matters or for that matter school district matters because the HS and District offices are south of you're location. What honestly should be done is that whole development should be razed including the 3 stores to the south of it and it developed into what is across the street.
Arleen October 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM
Speaking of comparing apples to oranges sal...u compare a nasty looking intersection to which you obviously don't live near any more to me being able to say what happens to the high school where my son goes now and district matters that affect my udall student. Get a grip and worry about stuff in your own neighborhood.
Sal October 21, 2011 at 03:28 PM
Guess what Arleen, do I live in this town? yes, do i go near that intersection nearly daily? Yes, Do i put my money into those business as much as you? Yes. So guess what i have just as much say as you on what should go there because it is my neighborhood just as much as yours. Because what goes there will also affect myself as well. You need to get a grip on reality and stop being so god dam selfish thinking just because you may live an 1/8 of a mile closer you should have a more weighted vote on a piece of property you don't even own. if you're going to have that attitude and only want people to worry about there section of the town guess what you stay up north and utilize that shopping center and stay out of the center of the town, fair? I bet if there was to be a change over at the stop and shop or king kullen where you food shop or the post office where you get you're mail or down by the beach fields where you're children may play sports you would want a say a fair say wouldn't you? You guys want these things so bad, pool you're money, buy the lot and put whatever you want there that wont increase traffic and apparently make it safer for everyone. But i guess I shouldn't hold my breath.
kerri October 23, 2011 at 05:02 AM
Kay, I think you have some other unresolved issues to deal with because unfortunately I did not mean to "offend" you. I simply stated that the area is beginning to look rundown, and it's sad because it's such a beautiful community. Of course you would make that into a negative. You bringing up Manorvilles issues about "workers" hanging out makes you sound racist and small minded.
Dangerous Minds!! October 23, 2011 at 03:06 PM
Know what Jim, it affects where and the way you live. So perhaps you can do a little research and try to find out some of the answers to questions you might have. Go up to the library (they are open til 9) and ask for Carol Ann, she's pretty knowledgeable about what's goin on. Don't just sit there, do something.
Dangerous Minds!! October 23, 2011 at 03:11 PM
So what you're saying is that the Town of Islip paid to have the tanks pulled out of the ground????? Why do I doubt that? As stated prior, not only did the repair shop have to pay the taxes on the place but as mentioned in Halpern's letter to the residents, the repair shop was responsible for the tanks being taken out and they couldnt afford to do that. If i'm not mistaken all tanks in the ground had to be pulled out and replaced with new ones. Must be nice to be a slum lord and just sit back and collect rent while everyone else is responsible for your property. As I mention before, these owners never so much as put a flower into the ground. It's looked like this for 43 years, and can stay that way for all i care.
Dangerous Minds!! October 23, 2011 at 03:20 PM
The point we are missing here is how many more 7-11's do we need here. We are also forgetting the one that is down Howell's Road. So there are 3 in the area. Come on people, don't you think that's over kill? Why isnt a doctor's office interested? Is it because the owners are not willing to "build to suit" or fix the place up? I'd like to know that.
local resident October 24, 2011 at 02:11 AM
I think we should put that walgreens at la grange that property looks like crap and thats the only solid offer they had, like sal said its all of our town so if sal is so worried what its looks like at getty station maybee we should bring walgreens back to the table it looks disgusting down there.
Marianne Bowden October 31, 2011 at 03:36 PM
The bushes on the corner are GONE. I personally asked the owner and attorney that night to do something about them. Now if someone can just move the electric box up so you can see better at that corner. Hey, its a start.
Arleen October 31, 2011 at 03:37 PM
Yes. I yelled thank you to the crew as I drive passed but I think they thought I was nuts or being sarcastic but it was great!

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